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'''Needed for this article:'''
*Where to find effects
*Uses of effects (putting out fire etc.)
*Pictures (eventually)
[[Special:Contributions/86.12.7.205|86.12.7.205]] 20:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


OK, I've got most of the uses done. I'll add the places they're found when I get time. [[Special:Contributions/86.12.7.205|86.12.7.205]] 22:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
So, you know how the Teru Teru Bouzu effect can sometimes make it snow? Well, does anyone know what triggers this? The reason I ask is because I was in the music box room in the [[Yume 2kki:Bottom Garden|Bottom Garden]], I turned on the effect, and I could only make it snow and never make it rain. So I left the area, tried it in the outdoor section in the garden, and again it snowed. Then I went back in, tried it again, and it STILL snowed. So I thought it might be a timing- based thing, so I went deeper into the Bottom Garden, tried it again, and it still snowed.


Should we list the FC world spirites and the egg spirites here?--[[User:Smbzfan2|Smbzfan2]] 16:23, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
After trying it again in both Overgrown Gate and Tulip Lamp World and consistently finding snow, I decided it must be something that's constant across a dream, but is it random or determined by anything?
* Yeah, I don't see why not. //[[User:TenhGrey|TenhGrey]] 23:54, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:Lips McGee|Lips McGee]] ([[User talk:Lips McGee|talk]]) 17:42, June 25, 2017 (UTC)


== Should 'Glitches' go here? ==
If a map has weather effects the first use of the effect just turns them off.
I'm not positive that the information pertaining to the glitches is relevant in this article, since they aren't categorically 'effects'. It just doesn't sit right. Maybe they should have their own page? //[[User:TenhGrey|TenhGrey]] 20:33, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


== Separate article for each effect? ==
Once they're off, or if the map has no weather effect setting for var042, it will take the sum of var044's value (random 0-255 each dream) modulo by 16, and then either apply strong rain, or if the value is 0 strong snow. It's very rare that it'd be snow though, the random dream value would have to exactly be 0 or a multiple of 16.
[[User:LainIwakura|LainIwakura]] ([[User talk:LainIwakura|talk]]) 09:37, June 26, 2017 (UTC)


The effects are clearly a very important part of the game, considering they're the main goal, and most fans agree that they are full of meaningful imagery. Shouldn't each effect therefore have its own page? The only thing is I'm not sure there's enough information about some of them, but the more popular effects like the knife, cat, and others (maybe Medamaude?) should have their own pages. Maybe some, like the three hair effects, could be grouped together? Just throwing out ideas.
Wait... are you sure about that? I tried it in [[Yume 2kki:White Fern World|White Fern World]], according to its page it's supposed to toggle between different intensities of snow as you described, but it actually stopped the snow and made it rain. Unless it has something to do with the fact that the setting seems to be set in an event (Which is the same as the Snowy Pipe Organ), but I don't think there ARE any areas which have snow as their dedicated setting. In fact, I looked in Map Properties and the option to set it wasn't even there. [[User:Lips McGee|Lips McGee]] ([[User talk:Lips McGee|talk]]) 15:00, June 26, 2017 (UTC)


It should be also mentioned in this article that none of the glitches work in the original Japanese version. You simply can't open the menu while you're sitting in the chair.
That's partially not what I described, it doesn't toggle intensity, no.
The first half was a bit of a cop out, I'm more interested in the random aspect of it. Anyway I guess it just turns it off and then always does the var044 operation.  
I'll edit the first comment to make more sense I guess. Also weather is not set in map properties, it's set in the event to enter an area. [[User:LainIwakura|LainIwakura]] ([[User talk:LainIwakura|talk]]) 19:00, June 27, 2017 (UTC)


==Japanese Versions of Names==
== The Key ==
I was curious about the Japanese names of the effects so I looked them up and added them.


[[Special:Contributions/169.233.12.97|169.233.12.97]] 23:08, February 13, 2014 (UTC)Little Bird
Should we add a section on the key you get from ED04? On one hand it deserves a place in this page if the Instructions get a page, but on the other hand its addition might be a spoiler for ED04. [[User:Lips McGee|Lips McGee]] ([[User talk:Lips McGee|talk]]) 02:22, December 27, 2017 (UTC)
*I'm not sure this is worth noting on an English-language Wiki.[[User:TenhGrey| // TenhGrey]] ([[User talk:TenhGrey|talk]]) 23:41, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
 
*I think it wouldn't hurt. The more info there is on this Wiki the better. I for example would love to know the original japanese names. [[User:Fulminis-ictus|Fulminis-ictus]] ([[User talk:Fulminis-ictus|talk]]) 11:11, February 15, 2014 (UTC)
== "Bee" isn't a bee. ==
*The reason I was so curioius about Japanese names in the first place was to try to understand the author's intent more clearly. In a game where interpretation is key, knowing the original name's of the effects would be helpful I feel. [[Special:Contributions/169.233.12.97|169.233.12.97]] 20:53, February 15, 2014 (UTC)Little Bird
 
**Aren't the original names just the same as they are translated (or transcribed) to English? There isn't really a lot of information in stuff like 'Stoplight' and 'Lamp' to be lost in translation. Anything that does have Japanese nuances that aren't immediately apparent can be highlighted in the trivia, like Yuki-onna.<br />My main concern that all these attachments to each section header look messy and most people can't even read them anyway, so I just don't think it really adds anything to the page.[[User:TenhGrey| // TenhGrey]] ([[User talk:TenhGrey|talk]]) 06:53, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
Based on the file "mushi-hotaru.png", the "bee" is in fact a lightning bug or firefly, as there are action frames for its rear end lighting up. The green beetle and rainbow beetle appear in "mushi-nizikuwa.png" and have only a single action facing forward in which the wing membrane things are spread out, not sure what those are. Both files have copies for the original walk frames from the gray version of the Insect effect though.
**I guess you're right. It wouldn't make much sense if the english names of the effects are a direct translation. It doesn't look too bad though. Guess I'll just be neutral (sorry for not being of any help). [[User:Fulminis-ictus|Fulminis-ictus]] ([[User talk:Fulminis-ictus|talk]]) 12:10, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
 
**I agree that the translations are quite clear and don't really provide any new insight into the meaning of the effects, much to my disappointment. Despite that, there may be others who are also curious about the Japanese names and since there are no other easy places to find them having them somewhere on the wikia could be helpful. I had to look up Japanese youtube videos to even find the Japanese names so I wanted it to be easier for others to find, even if they are just straight tranlsations. [[Special:Contributions/169.233.12.97|169.233.12.97]] 21:02, February 18, 2014 (UTC)Little Bird
"nizikuwa" is two words. The first half, 'nizi', is more than likely rainbow (niji, zi and ji are the same letter usually). The other half, kuwa, is probably short for kuwagata mushi, a stag beetle.
 
[[User:Cola160|Cola160]] ([[User talk:Cola160|talk]]) 05:58, February 25, 2019 (UTC)
 
==Jigsaw Puzzle Witch Effect==
Shouldn't the witch "effect" found in the Jigsaw Puzzle World be classified as a pseudo-effect on this page? It behaves like a normal effect while inside Jigsaw Puzzle World, which can be selected from the menu, chamges Urotsuki's appearence, etc.
[[User:Raptarr8|Raptarr8]] ([[User talk:Raptarr8|talk]]) 04:04, April 16, 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:13, 1 May 2024

So, you know how the Teru Teru Bouzu effect can sometimes make it snow? Well, does anyone know what triggers this? The reason I ask is because I was in the music box room in the Bottom Garden, I turned on the effect, and I could only make it snow and never make it rain. So I left the area, tried it in the outdoor section in the garden, and again it snowed. Then I went back in, tried it again, and it STILL snowed. So I thought it might be a timing- based thing, so I went deeper into the Bottom Garden, tried it again, and it still snowed.

After trying it again in both Overgrown Gate and Tulip Lamp World and consistently finding snow, I decided it must be something that's constant across a dream, but is it random or determined by anything? Lips McGee (talk) 17:42, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

If a map has weather effects the first use of the effect just turns them off.

Once they're off, or if the map has no weather effect setting for var042, it will take the sum of var044's value (random 0-255 each dream) modulo by 16, and then either apply strong rain, or if the value is 0 strong snow. It's very rare that it'd be snow though, the random dream value would have to exactly be 0 or a multiple of 16. LainIwakura (talk) 09:37, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Wait... are you sure about that? I tried it in White Fern World, according to its page it's supposed to toggle between different intensities of snow as you described, but it actually stopped the snow and made it rain. Unless it has something to do with the fact that the setting seems to be set in an event (Which is the same as the Snowy Pipe Organ), but I don't think there ARE any areas which have snow as their dedicated setting. In fact, I looked in Map Properties and the option to set it wasn't even there. Lips McGee (talk) 15:00, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

That's partially not what I described, it doesn't toggle intensity, no. The first half was a bit of a cop out, I'm more interested in the random aspect of it. Anyway I guess it just turns it off and then always does the var044 operation. I'll edit the first comment to make more sense I guess. Also weather is not set in map properties, it's set in the event to enter an area. LainIwakura (talk) 19:00, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

The Key

Should we add a section on the key you get from ED04? On one hand it deserves a place in this page if the Instructions get a page, but on the other hand its addition might be a spoiler for ED04. Lips McGee (talk) 02:22, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

"Bee" isn't a bee.

Based on the file "mushi-hotaru.png", the "bee" is in fact a lightning bug or firefly, as there are action frames for its rear end lighting up. The green beetle and rainbow beetle appear in "mushi-nizikuwa.png" and have only a single action facing forward in which the wing membrane things are spread out, not sure what those are. Both files have copies for the original walk frames from the gray version of the Insect effect though.

"nizikuwa" is two words. The first half, 'nizi', is more than likely rainbow (niji, zi and ji are the same letter usually). The other half, kuwa, is probably short for kuwagata mushi, a stag beetle.

Cola160 (talk) 05:58, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Jigsaw Puzzle Witch Effect

Shouldn't the witch "effect" found in the Jigsaw Puzzle World be classified as a pseudo-effect on this page? It behaves like a normal effect while inside Jigsaw Puzzle World, which can be selected from the menu, chamges Urotsuki's appearence, etc. Raptarr8 (talk) 04:04, April 16, 2020 (UTC)