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Madotsuki threw away Easter eggs (Easter) and chose the symbol of Hopi fellows' sun, and death.<br />Jesus Christ's witch flew east (Easter) from west in the dream, and it sank from the east to west like the sun in the real world.
Madotsuki threw away Easter eggs (Easter) and chose the symbol of Hopi fellows' sun, and death.<br />Jesus Christ's witch flew east (Easter) from west in the dream, and it sank from the east to west like the sun in the real world.
http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/Madotsuki%27s_Room(name)#The_Ending.28East_of_the_Sun_and_West_of_the_Moon.29


しょせん作り話だけどね。
しょせん作り話だけどね。


It is a fabrication after all.
It is a fabrication after all.
http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/NASU(name)#NASU.28August_15.29


// Mt.kiki (talk) 17:20, March 4, 2013 (JST)
// Mt.kiki (talk) 17:20, March 4, 2013 (JST)

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@xxxshintaxxx あの作品は国の歴史のある一定の傾向や意味を被らせてるんだ。つまり、例えばの話、太陽神って日本神話にも、ギリシャ神話にも、エジプト神話にもあるじゃん?それをうまいぐあいに繋げてるんだよ「ゆめにっき」は、「窓付き」って元ネタ(モナド)を繋ぐ窓なんだよ。


@xxxshintaxxx 俺も、裏の意味が込められた作品作るけどさ。俺はここで、作成の裏から設定まで、なんでも喋っちゃうのね。でも、キキヤマ氏がただでさえアングラなのにあそこまで孤独というか、匿名というか、無名を貫くのか、なにか理由があるに違いないと思ったら、あったんだよ。

23:03 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

I also make the work in which the hidden meaning was put.
however .

I am speaking anything from the reverse side of creation to a setup here.

But when thinking whether does it pat, like that pierces through loneliness, anonymity, and obscurity, although it is not famous from the beginning, and that kikiyama surely had some reasons, it was.

@minorushin マジで?何があるんだよ

23:08 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@minorushin @xxxshintaxxx モナドロジー(単子論)って知ってる?それが多分、キキヤマ氏が孤独になる理由なんだ。

23:06 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

monadology(The Monads) is known -- ? -- probably it is the reason kikiyama becomes solitary.

@minorushin 知らんな、続けたまえ

23:10 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx いいか?モナドってのは、物事の起源のことだ。つまり元ネタ、ゆめにっきの設定とか意味とかそういうこと。

23:10 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

May I continue? Monade is the origin of things.
That is, the origin, a setup, the meaning and such a thing of yumenikki.

@minorushin なるほど、勉強になります

23:17 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx 俺もさ、作品作っても、みんなは、俺と同等に作品の意味(元ネタ)を理解してくれないのね。んで、それがモナド(元ネタ)における「窓が無い」状態なのね。

23:13 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

Even if I also make a work, everybody does not understand the meaning(the Monads) of a work on a par with me.

That is, it is in the state "without a window" in the Monads(the meaning).

@minorushin ふむふむ

23:21 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx では、ここで続けます。キキヤマ氏がやりたいことはモナドを「窓がある」状態にしたらどうなるのか?という実験です。

23:24 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

It continues here.
He would like to do kikiyama. -- When changing the Monads into the state "where there is a window", it is the experiment [ become / what ] ? --.

http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/Madotsuki(name)#Madotsuki.28THE_MONADOLOGY.29

@minorushin はい

23:24 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx つまりそれは、みんなが同等に「ゆめにっき」のモナド(元ネタ)を知ること(独立したモナドが同等に窓で繋がること)なので、そのためには「ゆめにっき」を極限まで主観を抑えて客観的に説明する

23:28 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@minorushin @xxxshintaxxx 必要があるわけです、はい。

23:29 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

that is, as for it, everybody gets to know the Monads of "yumenikki" equally -- things (The independent the Monads should be equally connected by the window) -- since -- it is necessary to suppress subjectivity and to explain "yumenikki" objective to a limit, for that purpose.

@minorushin はいはい

23:29 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx 脱字しました失礼…続けます。そのため、キキヤマ氏がネット上に自ら出向いて説明でもしてしまったら、「ゆめにっき」の情報源が全てキキヤマ氏の主観ということになり、客観性が失われる…つまり、それは、キキヤマ氏のノマドになってしまう。独立するということです。

23:34 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

Impoliteness which carried out the omission of a word.
It continues.
Therefore, if kikiyama goes out itself on a network and also gives explanation, all the sources of information of "yumenikki" will call it the subjectivity of kikiyama, and objectivity will be lost. -- It will be got blocked and it will be set to the Monads of kikiyama.
It means that it gets blocked and becomes independent.

@minorushin ほうほう

23:35 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx では、「ゆめにっき」の作品は誰が説明するか?というのが、この作品のミソです。

23:36 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

Who explaining a work called "yumenikki" and ? are bean paste of this work.

@minorushin そうだな

23:36 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

@xxxshintaxxx それを説明するのが、「ゆめにっき」の元ネタ集めに欠かせない"wikipedia"です。

23:38 - 2013年2月26日· 詳細

"wikipedia" indispensable to the origin collection of "yumenikki" explains it.

madotsuki is not autism.
It is in the opposite state of autism rather.

madotsuki is a state where shut own subjectivity(Madotsuki's Ego) and it is direct subject(Are unconscious) to the objective influence from the outside.
If it has appeared in the dream?

// Mt.kiki (talk) 16:24, March 4, 2013 (JST)

http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/Madotsuki(name)#Madotsuki.28an_omnipresence_in_wired.29




I'm sorry, but what is this? All I'm seeing is a bunch of Japanese characters and links to Japanese dictionary pages.// TenhGrey (talk) 00:16, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what is this? All I'm seeing is a bunch of English characters and links to English dictionary pages.

I doubt if you'll be able to understand yumenikki(ゆめにっき) on a [the] language reading.

// Mt.kiki (talk) 16:14, January 6, 2013 (JST)


This is a Japanese seeing is a bunch of English characters and links to English dictionary pages.

Some are know only a English and others are know only Japanese.

// Mt.kiki (talk) 16:31, January 6, 2013 (JST)

???

Why is Urotsuki here? Shouldn't that belong on the Yume 2kki Wiki?

A bit of explanation might help this page, no?

IggyAndPkmn (talk) 01:52, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

"Urotsuki" an enumeration of a word of "○○○tsuki".

We display various examples of "○○○tsuki" patterns.

// Mt.kiki (talk) 06:24, January 24, 2013 (JST)

うろつきの電車エンドから、人形となって窓付きの物語が始まり、その終わりがゆめ2っき派生のきっかけとなった。これはまさしくウロボロスの輪廻の概念ではないのか?

It became a doll, and the tale of Madotsuki started and the end became a cause of yume2kki derivation from the train end of Urotsuki.
Isn't this a concept of the Samsara of uroboros surely?

ウロポロスうろつき、マドンナまどつき。

Uroboros Urotsuki, Madonna Madotsuki.

窓付きはイースターエッグ(復活祭)を捨て、ホピ族の太陽の象徴、昇天を選んだ。夢の中でキリストの魔女は西から東(Easter)に飛び、現実世界では太陽のごとく東から西へ沈んだのだ。

Madotsuki threw away Easter eggs (Easter) and chose the symbol of Hopi fellows' sun, and death.
Jesus Christ's witch flew east (Easter) from west in the dream, and it sank from the east to west like the sun in the real world.

http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/Madotsuki%27s_Room(name)#The_Ending.28East_of_the_Sun_and_West_of_the_Moon.29

しょせん作り話だけどね。

It is a fabrication after all.

http://yumenikki.wikia.com/wiki/NASU(name)#NASU.28August_15.29

// Mt.kiki (talk) 17:20, March 4, 2013 (JST)