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==[[Yume Nikki:White Desert|White Desert]] Equivalents in Yume 2kki== | ==[[Yume Nikki:White Desert|White Desert]] Equivalents in Yume 2kki== | ||
white desert | |||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Barcode Plains|Barcode Plains]] (AcceleratingWind) | *[[Yume 2kki:Barcode Plains|Barcode Plains]] (AcceleratingWind) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Black Dust Desert|Black Dust Desert]] (openbreeze) | *[[Yume 2kki:Black Dust Desert|Black Dust Desert]] (openbreeze) | ||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Monochrome Wastelands|Monochrome Wastelands]] (noildoof) | *[[Yume 2kki:Monochrome Wastelands|Monochrome Wastelands]] (noildoof) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Sea of Clouds|Sea of Clouds]] (710) | *[[Yume 2kki:Sea of Clouds|Sea of Clouds]] (710) | ||
**…[[Yume 2kki:Sepia Cloud Gardens|Sepia Cloud Gardens]] (710) probably count too, right? i mean both it and sea of clouds look similar visually and there’s a bunch of abstract hand-drawn looking things | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Ticking Blackout Zone|Ticking Blackout Zone]] (61024) | *[[Yume 2kki:Ticking Blackout Zone|Ticking Blackout Zone]] (61024) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:White Scarlet Exhibition|White Scarlet Exhibition]] (Nantai) | *[[Yume 2kki:White Scarlet Exhibition|White Scarlet Exhibition]] (Nantai) | ||
there are specific sections of worlds styled after the white desert but im not sure if i can count them here | there are specific sections of worlds styled after the white desert but im not sure if i can count them here | ||
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==2kki worlds i want to connect to one day== | ==2kki worlds i want to connect to one day== | ||
cool worlds i wanna add connections to | |||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Othello Board|Othello Board]] (kuraud) | *[[Yume 2kki:Othello Board|Othello Board]] (kuraud) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Ethnic World|Ethnic World]] (Kontetsu) | *[[Yume 2kki:Ethnic World|Ethnic World]] (Kontetsu) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Oil Puddle World B|Oil Puddle World B]] (Kontetsu) | *[[Yume 2kki:Oil Puddle World B|Oil Puddle World B]] (Kontetsu) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Shield Owl World|Shield Owl World]] (710) | *[[Yume 2kki:Shield Owl World|Shield Owl World]] (710) | ||
*several nexus worlds, in particular: | *several nexus worlds, in particular: | ||
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**[[Yume 2kki:Abstract Corrosions|Abstract Corrosions]] (openbreeze) | **[[Yume 2kki:Abstract Corrosions|Abstract Corrosions]] (openbreeze) | ||
**[[Yume 2kki:Heart World|Heart World]] (Pinu) | **[[Yume 2kki:Heart World|Heart World]] (Pinu) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Red Streetlight World|Red Streetlight World]] (20) | **[[Yume 2kki:Red Streetlight World|Red Streetlight World]] (20) | ||
**yes i | ***yes i mean it | ||
***though this will likely be an unlockable connection | ****though this will likely be an unlockable connection | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Stone World|Stone World]] (HAL) | *[[Yume 2kki:Stone World|Stone World]] (HAL) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Rainbow Hell|Rainbow Hell]] (MymeType) | *[[Yume 2kki:Rainbow Hell|Rainbow Hell]] (MymeType) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Constellation World|Constellation World]] (spelude) (particularly the cancer constellation) | *[[Yume 2kki:Constellation World|Constellation World]] (spelude) (particularly the cancer constellation) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Pointing Labyrinth|Pointing Labyrinth]] (delta_judgement) | *[[Yume 2kki:Pointing Labyrinth|Pointing Labyrinth]] (delta_judgement) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:City of Revival|City of Revival]] (concertalyis) | *[[Yume 2kki:City of Revival|City of Revival]] (concertalyis) | ||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Spelling Room|Spelling Room]] (Bokun) | *[[Yume 2kki:Spelling Room|Spelling Room]] (Bokun) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Psychedelic Graffiti World|Psychedelic Graffiti World]] (Nanika) | *[[Yume 2kki:Psychedelic Graffiti World|Psychedelic Graffiti World]] (Nanika) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Valentine Land|Valentine Land]] (oudn) | *[[Yume 2kki:Valentine Land|Valentine Land]] (oudn) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Azure Overdose Zone|Azure Overdose Zone]] (Uwa) | *[[Yume 2kki:Azure Overdose Zone|Azure Overdose Zone]] (Uwa) | ||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Rainbow Road|Rainbow Road]] (21keb) | *[[Yume 2kki:Rainbow Road|Rainbow Road]] (21keb) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Hat World|Hat World]] (21keb) | *[[Yume 2kki:Hat World|Hat World]] (21keb) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Paint Splatter Park|Paint Splatter Park]] (Nabisae) | *[[Yume 2kki:Paint Splatter Park|Paint Splatter Park]] (Nabisae) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Dizzy Spirals World|Dizzy Spirals World]] (Pinu) | *[[Yume 2kki:Dizzy Spirals World|Dizzy Spirals World]] (Pinu) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Drift Passage|Drift Passage]] (Nightmare) | *[[Yume 2kki:Drift Passage|Drift Passage]] (Nightmare) | ||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Chain World|Chain World]] (Nabisae) | *[[Yume 2kki:Chain World|Chain World]] (Nabisae) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Butter Rain World|Butter Rain World]] (maptsuki) | *[[Yume 2kki:Butter Rain World|Butter Rain World]] (maptsuki) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Collaged Charcoal World|Collaged Charcoal World]] (oneirokamara) | *[[Yume 2kki:Collaged Charcoal World|Collaged Charcoal World]] (oneirokamara) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Psychedelic Letter World|Psychedelic Letter World]] (Nadeko) | *[[Yume 2kki:Psychedelic Letter World|Psychedelic Letter World]] (Nadeko) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Nazca Valley#White Stone|Ambulance Parking Facility (Nazca Valley)]] (aediorugap) | *[[Yume 2kki:Nazca Valley#White Stone|Ambulance Parking Facility (Nazca Valley)]] (aediorugap) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Checkered Postal Path|Checkered Postal Path]] (aediorugap) | *[[Yume 2kki:Checkered Postal Path|Checkered Postal Path]] (aediorugap) | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Beachside Infirmary|Beachside Infirmary]] (aediorugap) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Frenetique|Frenetique]] (lakes) | |||
===2kki worlds i already connected to (that were on this list prior)=== | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Wishing Stones|Wishing Stones]] (openbreeze) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Cigarette World|Cigarette World]] (aediorugap) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Word World|Word World]] (kuraud) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Darkwoven Void|Darkwoven Void]] (Nanika) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Despair Road|Despair Road]] (shigurin) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Weary Potted Plant World|Weary Potted Plant World]] (Nabisae) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Rendered Dreamscape|Rendered Dreamscape]] (825) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:White Black World|White Black World]] (spiritbackup) | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Clock World|Clock World]] (MymeType) | |||
this list will grow more and more | this list will grow more and more | ||
note | note: this only lists the worlds i haven’t connected to before, as well as worlds i connected to that were on this list prior | ||
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==yume nikki references in my 2kki worlds== | ==yume nikki references in my 2kki worlds== | ||
there’s a LOT of them, genuinely | |||
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===places=== | ===places=== | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Usugurai Residence|Usugurai Residence]] is inspired by both [[Yume Nikki:Dark World|Dark World]] and [[Yume Nikki:Barracks Settlement|Barracks Settlement]] | *[[Yume 2kki:Usugurai Residence|Usugurai Residence]] is inspired by both [[Yume Nikki:Dark World|Dark World]] and [[Yume Nikki:Barracks Settlement|Barracks Settlement]] | ||
**The house interiors are partially inspired by [[Yume Nikki:Snow World|Snow World]]’s igloos | |||
*The teleporters in [[Yume 2kki:Sorrow and Comfort Monuments|Sorrow and Comfort Monuments]] are somewhat inspired by the [[Yume Nikki:Teleport Maze|Teleport Maze]] | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Vitamin World|Vitamin World]] is inspired by Yume 2kki’s [[Yume 2kki:Marijuana Goddess World|Marijuana Goddess World]], and by extension Yume Nikki’s [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | *[[Yume 2kki:Vitamin World|Vitamin World]] is inspired by Yume 2kki’s [[Yume 2kki:Marijuana Goddess World|Marijuana Goddess World]], and by extension Yume Nikki’s [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Vivid Blue Flatlands|Vivid Blue Flatlands]] is also reminiscent of [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | *[[Yume 2kki:Vivid Blue Flatlands|Vivid Blue Flatlands]] is also reminiscent of [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | ||
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*[[Yume 2kki:Minor Characters#Thing with Two Vertically Positioned Eyes|Thing with Two Vertically Positioned Eyes]] is reminiscent of both the [[Yume Nikki:Brain Creature|Brain Creature]] and [[Yume Nikki:The Thing with the Quivering Jaw|The Thing with the Quivering Jaw]] | *[[Yume 2kki:Minor Characters#Thing with Two Vertically Positioned Eyes|Thing with Two Vertically Positioned Eyes]] is reminiscent of both the [[Yume Nikki:Brain Creature|Brain Creature]] and [[Yume Nikki:The Thing with the Quivering Jaw|The Thing with the Quivering Jaw]] | ||
*The windmills found throughout [[Yume 2kki:Barcode Plains|Barcode Plains]] are similar to the ones found in [[Yume Nikki:Windmill World|Windmill World]] | *The windmills found throughout [[Yume 2kki:Barcode Plains|Barcode Plains]] are similar to the ones found in [[Yume Nikki:Windmill World|Windmill World]] | ||
*The [[Yume 2kki:Minor Characters#Mukiryoku|Mukiryoku]] are inspired by the [[Yume Nikki:Pirori|Pirori]] | *The [[Yume 2kki:Minor Characters#Mukiryoku|Mukiryoku]] are inspired by the [[Yume Nikki:Pirori|Pirori]] | ||
**The sleeping Mukiryoku in one of the houses is inspired by [[Yume Nikki:Kamakurako|Kamakurako]] | |||
*[[Yume 2kki:Minor Characters#Seinaru Priest|Seinaru Priest]] is reminiscent of [[Yume Nikki:Onsen-san|Onsen-san]] | |||
===other=== | ===other=== | ||
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**Xenon - [[Yume Nikki:Effects#Neon|Neon]] effect | **Xenon - [[Yume Nikki:Effects#Neon|Neon]] effect | ||
*Multiple colored restrooms can be found in some worlds, which look and function very similarly to the ones in [[Yume Nikki:Block World|Block World]] and [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | *Multiple colored restrooms can be found in some worlds, which look and function very similarly to the ones in [[Yume Nikki:Block World|Block World]] and [[Yume Nikki:Graffiti World|Graffiti World]] | ||
*<s>The music in the first photo of [[Yume 2kki:Sink Catalog|Sink Catalog]] samples [[Yume Nikki:Block World|Block World]]‘s track</s> | |||
**i didn’t make that song though, but i am still putting this here | |||
**update: the song will be replaced by a different one | |||
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==random^2 stuff== | ==random^2 stuff== | ||
===underrated authors=== | ===underrated authors=== | ||
list of underrated 2kki authors that need more love | list of underrated 2kki authors that need more love | ||
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those with question marks are ones im not exactly sure are underrated, but are still counted | |||
*[[:Category:985|985]] | |||
*[[:Category:Akahara Imori|akahara imori]] | |||
*[[:Category:ameato|ameato]] | |||
*i think [[:Category:arva|arva]] and [[:Category:arcturus|arcturus]] fit here too, though i feel like they’re more known for other stuff (voice acting and music making respectively) | |||
*[[:Category:blacksig|blacksig]] | |||
*[[:Category:Ca|ca]] | |||
*[[:Category:concertalyis|concertalyis]] (?) | |||
*[[:Category:fluxide|fluxide]] | |||
*[[:Category:Froggo|froggo]] | |||
*[[:Category:G-Seeker|g-seeker]] | |||
*[[:Category:HAL|hal]] (?) | |||
*[[:Category:Holdery|holdery]] (?) | |||
*[[:Category:Jekyle|jekyle]] | |||
*[[:Category:K0OdntepKs|k0odntepks]] | *[[:Category:K0OdntepKs|k0odntepks]] | ||
*[[:Category:KKO|kko]] | |||
*[[:Category:Kurokagi|kurokagi]] | |||
*[[:Category:Kuroku|kuroku]] | *[[:Category:Kuroku|kuroku]] | ||
*[[:Category:Light|light]] | *[[:Category:Light|light]] | ||
*[[:Category: | *[[:Category:Lysenthe|lysenthe]] | ||
*[[:Category:Murasaki no Yume|murasaki no yume]] | *[[:Category:Murasaki no Yume|murasaki no yume]] | ||
*[[:Category:Nightmare|nightmare]] | |||
*[[:Category:openbreeze|openbreeze]] (?) | |||
*[[:Category:Ouri|ouri]] | *[[:Category:Ouri|ouri]] | ||
*[[:Category:Pinu|pinu]] | |||
*[[:Category:spiritbackup|spiritbackup]] | |||
*[[:Category:srd|srd]] | |||
*[[:Category:Towihanu|towihanu]] | *[[:Category:Towihanu|towihanu]] | ||
*[[:Category:Uroyu|uroyu]] | |||
*[[:Category:VANEGI|vanegi]] | *[[:Category:VANEGI|vanegi]] | ||
*[[:Category: | *[[:Category:wXeoWvpbbM|wxeowvpbbm]] (i mean lets be real they’re only sorta known for making monochrome gb world, sunken city is a very underrated place imo) | ||
*[[:Category:Yasakoten|yasakoten]] | |||
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===more 2kki effects=== | ===more 2kki effects=== | ||
MOAR | |||
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i wish there were more effects added to the game, i know there’s already 34 of them (36 if you count the instructions and the dev room key), but it would be really nice to have more nonetheless | i wish there were more effects added to the game, i know there’s already 34 of them (36 if you count the instructions and the dev room key), but it would be really nice to have more nonetheless | ||
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===MWEMS=== | ===MWEMS=== | ||
mwe | |||
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i also want to have a world with… something i will call “Mural World Effect Mitosis Syndrome” (MWEMS) | i also want to have a world with… something i will call “Mural World Effect Mitosis Syndrome” (MWEMS) | ||
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(fun fact 3: the library from yume tsushin has MWEMS, featuring the sweeping robot and the microwave oven effects… but other than that it’s still probably one of my least favorite tsushin worlds, sorry) | (fun fact 3: the library from yume tsushin has MWEMS, featuring the sweeping robot and the microwave oven effects… but other than that it’s still probably one of my least favorite tsushin worlds, sorry) | ||
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=== | ===favorite worlds from fangames=== | ||
places in yume nikki fangames that i really like, some of them are very underappreciated in my opinion | |||
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====[[Yume 2kki:Integer World|integer world (2kki)]]==== | ====[[Yume 2kki:Integer World|integer world (2kki)]]==== | ||
''world made by spelude'' | |||
this one definitely needs much more love, it already has some cool things in it despite its simplistic style, like a ''functioning equation'' of all things, and the fact that the map is actually a real QR code | |||
i | i already [[Yume 2kki:Barcode Plains|connected]] to this place before, and i feel like for some people that could be their first introduction to integer world | ||
i have no idea how to feel about that tbh | |||
====[[Yume 2kki:Word World|word world]] (yume 2kki)==== | |||
''world made by kuraud'' | |||
same with integer world, it has a simplistic black and white look to it, though it arguably may have less features | |||
i still think its a pretty neat place with a rather huge potential | |||
====[[Yume 2kki:Wishing Stones|wishing stones (2kki)]]==== | ====[[Yume 2kki:Wishing Stones|wishing stones (2kki)]]==== | ||
''world made by openbreeze'' | |||
it has a lovely serene atmosphere and a unique… “texture”? | |||
i don’t know how to explain it, or if it really fits since 2kki is a 2d game, but basically the world’s visual style and quirks (like the grassy panorama) make it very unique | i don’t know how to explain it, or if it really fits since 2kki is a 2d game, but basically the world’s visual style and quirks (like the grassy panorama) make it very unique | ||
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====[[Yume 2kki:Candle Block World|candle block world (2kki)]]==== | ====[[Yume 2kki:Candle Block World|candle block world (2kki)]]==== | ||
''world made by 21keb'' | |||
i get that its a mix of candle world and block world from yume nikki in a sense but its still a nice place | i get that its a mix of candle world and block world from yume nikki in a sense but its still a nice place | ||
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====[[Yume 2kki:Dizzy Spirals World|dizzy spirals world (2kki)]]==== | ====[[Yume 2kki:Dizzy Spirals World|dizzy spirals world (2kki)]]==== | ||
''world made by pinu'' | |||
i reaaaaaally like this place, it feels so unique compared to many other worlds the game has, its hard to even describe what kind of atmosphere it gives to me, it is THAT unique | i reaaaaaally like this place, it feels so unique compared to many other worlds the game has, its hard to even describe what kind of atmosphere it gives to me, it is THAT unique | ||
the only thing i truly don’t like very much here is the random art gallery/hand hub connection, it feels… “eh” to me, mostly due to it being, well, random between those two to begin with | the only thing i truly don’t like very much here is the random art gallery/hand hub connection, it feels… “eh” to me, mostly due to it being, well, random between those two to begin with | ||
=== | ====from [[Collective Unconscious:Obelisks|obelisks (cu)]] to [[Collective Unconscious:Sun Forest|sun forest (also cu)]]==== | ||
''worlds made by fzn (obelisks) and millieamp (the other three)'' | |||
[[Collective Unconscious:Obelisks|obelisks]] → [[Collective Unconscious:Burning Building|burning building]] → [[Collective Unconscious:Desk Passage|desk passage]] → [[Collective Unconscious:Sun Forest|sun forest]] | |||
man… that route is one of collective unconscious’ highlights for me | |||
each world in there has its own very unique atmosphere: | |||
*obelisks is a very dark world with bright red highlights, likely being vaguely inspired by yume nikki’s mural world, but having a more “cult” feeling to it(…? im not really sure how to describe it tbh, but it looks cool) | |||
*burning building has an insanely cool art direction going on with its black, red and yellow color palette and rather surreal designs of the decorative NPCs | |||
*i really dig realistic photos with the dithering effect, and desk passage is all about that | |||
**…it had a cool event with ZX BOY but its now removed, thats a bummer | |||
*sun forest features a more “minimalist” art style, with heavy contrasts between the dark black ground and the bright yellows and reds seen on the objects in it | |||
**there’s a menu theme that heavily resembles this world, but you obtain it in burning building instead, dunno why | |||
i may not be super interested in collective unconscious, but these worlds are definitely my favorites | |||
====[[Collective Unconscious:Spiral Limb Passage|spiral limb passage (cu)]]==== | |||
''world made by orchidmantis'' | |||
one of my favorite CU nexus worlds besides the obelisks one which i talked about prior, its both heavily reminiscent of yume nikki’s [[Yume Nikki:Eyeball World|eyeball world]] and very unique on its own | |||
it also has an event that is also sorta similar to the aztec monkey event from yume nikki, which is pretty neat | |||
if i ever made worlds for this game i would likely connect here | |||
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====you-know-project badges==== | |||
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=====collected===== | |||
outdated because yno ui is broken on mobile for me and doesn’t show badges | |||
got all of them: | got all of them: | ||
*[[She Awaits:She Awaits Wiki|she awaits]] | *[[She Awaits:She Awaits Wiki|she awaits]] | ||
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almost there: | almost there: | ||
*[[Yume Nikki:Yume Nikki Wiki|yume nikki :(]] | *[[Yume Nikki:Yume Nikki Wiki|yume nikki :(]] | ||
*unaccomplished (heh…) | *[[Unaccomplished:Unaccomplished Wiki|unaccomplished]] (heh…) | ||
nope: | nope: | ||
*[[Yume 2kki:Yume 2kki Wiki|YUME 2KKI]] | *[[Yume 2kki:Yume 2kki Wiki|YUME 2KKI]] | ||
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*[[If:If Wiki|if]] | *[[If:If Wiki|if]] | ||
*oneshot(not really even a yume nikki fangame but its still on yno so it technically counts here) | *oneshot(not really even a yume nikki fangame but its still on yno so it technically counts here) | ||
=====created===== | |||
wip, though there aren’t that many | |||
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==scrapped 2kki world names== | |||
these names sound really cool to me, its a shame they didn’t get used | |||
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*'''Glitzy Star Gardens''' (name by Autumn) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Neon Playground|Neon Playground]] | |||
*'''Blushing Flats''' (name by Autumn) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Crazy Pink House|Crazy Pink House]] | |||
*'''Porphyritic Plains''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Copper Cube Plains|Copper Cube Plains]] | |||
*'''Red Ruby Void''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Flesh World|Flesh World]] | |||
*'''Ancient Flower Clouds''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Sepia Cloud Gardens|Sepia Cloud Gardens]] | |||
*'''Iridescent Clover Pathway''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Holographic Reef|Holographic Reef]] | |||
*'''Satellite Ocean''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Whispering Palace|Whispering Palace]] | |||
*'''Midnight Ultramarine World''' (name by AnVariousGuy) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Midnight Manor|Midnight Manor]] | |||
*'''Visine Leaf World''' (name by Mikatsuki) | |||
**currently known as [[Yume 2kki:Night World|Night World]] | |||
**apparently “visine” isn’t a word or something |
Latest revision as of 05:35, 14 April 2025
idk i guess this is one of those sandbox pages people make
expect random stuff here
White Desert Equivalents in Yume 2kki
white desert
2kki worlds i want to connect to one day
cool worlds i wanna add connections to
yume nikki references in my 2kki worlds
there’s a LOT of them, genuinely
random^2 stuff
underrated authors
list of underrated 2kki authors that need more love
more 2kki effects
MOAR
MWEMS
mwe
favorite worlds from fangames
places in yume nikki fangames that i really like, some of them are very underappreciated in my opinion
you-know-project badges
scrapped 2kki world names
these names sound really cool to me, its a shame they didn’t get used